High School is a time when people can discover latent talents and abilities. A time when young adults start to decide on what they want to do when they leave the boundaries of their public education. Some skills most kids never knew they had start to flourish under the guidance of their teachers, while the others skills become stagnant. In my case, I chose journalism over physics, I chose to have my work critiqued in front of everyone who reads or hears what I do as opposed to being able to project velocities or being able to pinpoint where sounds come from. Lame, I know.


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From that experience, I believe an effective writing classroom employs both the ideas of Peter Elbow and David Bartholomae, meaning that the classroom should have a teacher that acts more like an advisor would. Someone knowledgeable on the subject who can help shape an argument but allows the writer to find their own unique way about doing things.


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I had no clue what I was doing when I joined my first journalism class in high school. No idea of what an "inverted pyramid" might contain or what the 5 W's even stood for. On the first day of class I was assigned my first article and given a crash course on how to construct a basic news article. With time and the help of our teacher, I learned what it felt like to write under deadlines, how to forge the headline that would tug on the reader's attention. This developed from a few rudimentary lessons from the teacher but was encouraged and matured under supervision. The teacher no longer teaching the student but advising them to use what they know to excel.

It is important to have the teacher inside of the classroom; if that critical chain is gone then the student never gains the ability to grow. Peter Elbow tried to push freewriting to overcome teachers inside of the classroom. It was through freewriting that Elbow believed that one, after writing everything they could nonstop, then edit it down, could achieve a piece worthy of the academic discourse community. In his work, "Writing Without Teachers", Elbow states that a student learns and a teacher teaches, but without the teacher a student can still learn. Students can learn, yes, but without that careful guidance from the instructor can students excel? It was in this setting of the classroom that I learned how to put words on a page, everything I did didn't need to be carefully planned out. It could just happen and it didn't need to be good or bad as long as I got what I needed out but then I would call it a finished product.


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However, it also important to have that unique voice present in writing, the voice that the students need to find by themselves because the teacher can't possibly teach it. David Bartholomae's argument present in his essay, "Writing With Teachers", is that what a student learns to write isn't their own, "It belongs to TV, to Books, to Culture and History."  Therefore, a teacher needs to be present to instruct their students on how to write what has already been written. Which sounds very wrong. The teachers should be there to make sure that students aren't writing the past, that once they learn how to use the writing tools they've received they use them to push new concepts. The bartholomaen teacher is the absolute authority of the room, if they say "jump" you'd better be jumping or on crutches. This method doesn't work for me because I don't like the idea that I'm only writing what had been there before or I am becoming a miniature version of my teacher.


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It is through both arguments that I stand in the middle ground. The classroom I favor isn't that of Elbow or Bartholomae, but of both. A classroom where the teacher may or may not teach traditionally but isn't the authority of the classroom. The teacher would be there to help guide the student if there was a problem but wouldn't tell them exactly what to do or how much of it to accomplish. In High School, I experienced all three styles of teaching class. I had the teacher who would encourage the freewrite sessions and then there were the teachers with the "my way or the highway" philosophy. Sure, I learned a lot in both of those classes but what I learned was how to write this essay and that story and how to go about it. Gaining nothing more. In my journalism class, I gained confidence in my writing. I could write something without having to take it to b approved by a teacher ever day and when I did they wouldn't throw the essay back at me and say try again.

Although this form of teaching may not succeed for every student or class type, the type of class I was in was student run. There was a hierarchy; we would help everyone succeed in publishing the school's newspaper.  The advisor only there to make sure we weren't jumping off of the cliff without good reasons but also giving us a grade. Some students cannot handle that method of teaching; they need the Bartholomae or Elbowian style to guide every phrase and mechanic to completion.

In High school I gathered many different skills, but most of them sit in the back of my mind collecting dust. They are all good skills though and if I need to use them I have them, one day it might become very pertinent to the situation that I be able to measure the air speed velocity of a ball to see where it lands, the importance of keeping the clay on a potter's wheel at the right consistency of water, even how to solder metal onto other metal. The skills I most heavily rely on are those that I developed in writing, not just in English composition classes but in my journalism class as well. Not every student needs to take a journalism to experience this kind of teaching either, they need to sit in a class that has a teacher and is there for help, but a class that relies on the other students to help out when needed. In that setting, the students not only have the skills they need but they are also reinforcing them and adapting to different methods.

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Mitchell on whole page :

Dan -
This was a well written and concise paper, however I almost think that your final paragraph belongs somewehere closer to when you’re explaining you experience in a high school journalism class. And I get the impression it could be a good spring-board into the rest of your “on the fence” argument.
Thanks for sharing your paper with me,
Mitchell
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September 17, 2008 3:08 pm
illaria on paragraph 7:

I like how you incorporated both sides in your stance.

September 17, 2008 7:55 pm
illaria on paragraph 6:

How come writing about the past seems wrong? While it is not always appropriate, it seems that writing about the past, culture, history, books, etc. can help with some writing.

September 17, 2008 7:58 pm
illaria on whole page :

Dan,
I really liked your paper. I liked how you incorporated many different sides of the argument. I also liked that your examples included journalism rather than the traditional writing class experience. It really makes you think about the different kinds of writing and how they should be taught.
Thanks for sharing.
~Hilary

September 17, 2008 8:01 pm
kitto on paragraph 3:

Nice opening sentence, however I am confused by the wording on the second sentence. I can see how it would connect to the sentence above it but I think it could possibly be worded a little better.

September 17, 2008 10:56 pm
kitto on paragraph 6:

I really like this paragraph! You pose an interesting point about how teaching students how to write the past is wrong. However, do you mean the past in general is bad to write upon or is soley focussing on the past what is incorrect? Perhaps consider elaborating on this a bit more.

September 17, 2008 10:59 pm
kitto on paragraph 7:

Good paragraph- I also enjoyed the incoporation of both sides in your opinion. Be careful of errors in your last sentence though (spelling, etc.).

September 17, 2008 11:01 pm
kitto on whole page :

Dan,
Nice work on your paper! I enjoyed your strong voice and thorough explanations of your stance. The conclusion was good but for me almost seemed like it should have more of the closer preceding paragraphs rather than ones that were further up previously. The tie in I think could possibly be a bit smoother. Overall great job though! Thank you for sharing it with me.
-Jamie

September 17, 2008 11:04 pm
Lindsey Y. on whole page :

Dan,

I liked reading this essay mainly because there was a consistent flow with the tone of voice. You were able to bring in your perspective of writing, which made much of this paper strong. You gave the reader a chance to know what your experiences were in high school, which brought you and the reader to realize that it is important to have a teacher in the classroom. Thank you for letting me read this paper.

Lindsey Y.

September 18, 2008 8:36 am
Monte on paragraph 3:

I think this is a good stance. It allows students to align with their own preference and gives them opportunity to explore their own directions.

September 18, 2008 10:16 am
beatriz on paragraph 3:

I really like how you told your position early on in your essay. It lets readers know what to expect!

September 18, 2008 10:21 am
Beatriz on paragraph 4:

I liked how you put some of your own experience in paragraph four. It allows the reader to see why you are taking the stance you are taking.

September 18, 2008 10:23 am
Monte on paragraph 3:

Dan,
I’m glad you took this stance on academic discourse. I think the writing style should be questioned by the student in any case, and each writer should be presented with different methodologies early on so they can align themselves to what works best for their learning style. Your essay is strong, supported, and well constructed. Well done.
Monte

September 18, 2008 10:23 am
Beatriz on whole page :

Dan,
Overall, this paper was great. I liked how you immediately told the reader where you stood and I thought it was very good how you included experiences from your past to show why you are in this particular stance. I also liked how you added more about high school in the end because it makes the paper feel more concluded, like it has come to full circle.
Thanks for sharing your paper with me!
Beatriz

September 18, 2008 10:27 am
dra08 on whole page :

test post

September 18, 2008 11:25 am
Kristin on whole page :

Dan-
Thank you for sharing your paper with me! I really enjoyed the way you encorporated Elbow’s and Bartholomae’s writing debate into your field of journalism. Your ideas were clear and concise, but I did get a little lost in the first paragraph. Also, I think that maybe the final paragraph should be incorporated into the middle, because it would flow better.
Great Job!
Kristin
nuge5901@bears.unco.edu

September 18, 2008 3:10 pm
chibihi on whole page :

Dan,
I loved how your essay ended with the high school comparison of English/journalism and physics. Your essay is pretty good as it is with the need of some fixes on spelling. Thanks for sharing your essay.
Chantelle

September 18, 2008 4:40 pm
Lindsay on whole page :

Dan,
Overall I really like your paper I do agree with most of the comments above, so keep those in mind. All in all I like you arguement. Thanks for sharing.
LindsayM

September 18, 2008 8:52 pm
Mateja on paragraph 3:

I really like that you stated your stance early on in the paper; however, I think is paragraph is a little confusing. If you made the sentences a little less jumbled it would be even more effective.

September 19, 2008 8:36 am
Mateja on whole page :

Dan,
Thank you for sharing your paper with me I really enjoyed it. The alternate view point of a journalism class was very refreshing. I thought at times your paragraphs became a little foggy, but all in all I thought your paper was very effective. Thanks again!
Mateja

September 19, 2008 8:39 am
victoria on paragraph 6:

Dan
I like this paragraph because it demonstrates the power a teacher can have in a classroom
-Victoria

September 21, 2008 10:55 am
victoria on whole page :

Dan
I focus on creative writing so I never considered the effect of this discussion on journalism this adds a new aspect to a teachers place because I was looking at it from only one aspect of writing. Thanks for sharing
-Victoria

September 21, 2008 10:58 am
dra08 on whole page :

From Jeremy:
Dan your paper is very good and easy to read. I like the way you incorporated your own experiences in journalistic writing and how you transcended as a writer through them. However, one minor qualm for me was there was a very brutal transition from your introduction to your second paragraph. Is there a way you can make that a little smoother?

September 25, 2008 3:21 pm
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